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Don’t let Zell fool you: The Trib isn’t opposed to giving it away for free

Sam Zell’s recent interview with Bloomberg News is getting a lot of attention because he’s calling his purchase of TribCo “a mistake.” But it was this quote that stuck with me:

“I think we’re looking at every option at the Tribune Co.,” he said. “It’s very obvious that the newspaper model in its current form is not working. And the sooner we all acknowledge that the better. Whether it be home delivery, whether it be giving away content for free, I mean these are critical issues.”

This isn’t the first time Zell has complained about “giving away content for free.” In 2007, he said:

“If all the newspapers in America did not allow Google to steal their content for nothing, what would Google do? We have a situation today where effectively the content is being paid for by the newspapers and stolen by Google…That can last for a short time, but it can’t last forever.”

The Beachwood Reporter columnist Sam Singer takes Zell to task from a legal perspective over the folly of trying to fight Google on this and says:

“Their best bet, I believe, is to embrace aggregation, to invest in optimization strategies that will ensure their content a more prominent place among the search results.”

The thing is, the Trib is already doing this. In fact, it did this on Bloomberg’s Zell story, effectively taking advantage of the strategy just as its Chairman and CEO railed against it.

Right now, the Trib article is the first result in Google News if you search for “Sam Zell.”:

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This isn’t an accident. It’s because the Trib has a well-executed SEO strategy (just ask this guy, he’ll tell you), and it uses services like Google News (the kinds of services Zell is referring to when he talks about giving away content for free) to build revenue. More traffic to the Trib makes its website more attractive to advertisers. And speaking of ads:

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That’s the Trib article in question; I’ve sloppily highlighted a few areas on the page. Those are ads the Trib is selling against content that’s comprised mainly of an interview by another news organization. And they did this – hang on, this is shocking – to make money. Against content that’s “given away for free.”

In a previous column on Beachwood Reporter, Steve Rhodes had this to say:

As I’ve written before, newspapers sell ads against content created by others all the time, be it Oprah, the Cubs or American Idol. Not only is it mutually beneficial, but it’s the responsibility of a news organization insofar as cultural criticism – including that of the media – is warranted.

He’s right, of course. Newspapers have been making money this way since they began, and now many of them have figured out how to do it online. None of this is sneaky or underhanded. It’s industry standard at this point. And it’s how media companies monetize their content. The Zell story is one of many on the Trib site alone (every time you read the headlines on their movie reviews, you see their keyword strategy at work to hilarious effect), not to mention many many other sites.

So when Sam Zell says “giving content away for free” isn’t working, he only means they’re not making enough money on it yet. Not that they’re not making any.

The Chicago Media Future Conference: Now is the time for solutions

It’s probably a little pompous to call something “The Chicago Media Future Conference.” After all, who really can say for certain what the future holds for local print and online news publications? And yet, that’s the name its organizers have chosen. Spoiler alert: One of those organizers is yours truly.

February’s Chicago Journalism Town Hall brought tremendous energy, intellectual curiosity and talent together in one room. The discussion sparked many conversations and ideas, online and offline, about a range of topics. Having been in on many of these discussions, we knew the desire for another event was palpable. So my friend Mike Fourcher (a friend and former colleague from my Chicagoist days) and I along with Barbara Iverson (a Columbia College professor and editor of CurrentBuzz.com and ChicagoTalks.org) decided to hold our own event focused on one of those discussion topics: How news coverage can successfully migrate to profitable on-line distribution. (See the bottom of this post for complete bios of all three organizers.)

The Chicago Media Future Conference
will be held Saturday, June 13 at Columbia College’s Film Row Cinema (1104 S. Wabash) from 1:30pm to 4:45pm. It will consist of two 90-minute, moderated, five-person panels, with a 15 minute break in between. Each panel’s topic will be introduced by a 10-minute “scene-setting” informational presentation.

We planned The Chicago Media Future Conference with a few stipulations in mind:

* The conference would be about the future of news. We broadly define news using the intentionally broad dictionary definition, “1: a report of recent events 2: previously unknown information.”

* The innovative future of news will take place online, while print, television, and radio will remain necessary and vital mediums for analysis and reporting.

* People are already paying for news online, in direct and indirect ways. These solutions need to be acknowledged and discussed in detail.

* Most people are interested in retaining the commonly-understood ethical standards for news delivery currently followed by offline media. Many standards and best practices already exist for online news delivery, though some sites don’t always follow them. Some ethical standards have yet to be established, as technology often outpaces “the rules.”

* Our panels should look forward, not backward. The time has passed for lamenting what used to be. We’re not interested in talking about problems unless we’re also discussing solutions.

The working title for the first panel is “How do people consume news and what do they do with it?” The second is “How do you make money selling the news and who is willing to pay for it?”

Right now, we have not confirmed any panelists though we’ve got a short list worked up of editors, business managers, digital strategists, bloggers, tech developers, ad sales managers, news publishers and SEO strategists. But we also want to hear from you – the people who have an interest in this sort of thing – about whom we should invite. One complaint I’ve had about past conferences like this is that they inevitably end up having the same panelists over and over or the organizers end up asking only those they know to participate. We wanted to avoid that, as much as possible. Truth be told, the reason why some people end up over and over on panels like this is because they’re the smartest minds on the subject. Having said that, if you’ve got an idea about a panelist who fits one of the descriptions above, send an e-mail to info (@) chicagomediafuture.org.

We’ve also launched a website, ChicagoMediaFuture.org, though there’s nothing there but a splash page right now. Eventually, ChicagoMediaFuture.org will be an information resource, built around a WordPress template, with online registration, panelist bios, and context for both the Chicago and national media landscapes. We also hope it will be a vibrant means of continuing the discussion after the event. We’re planning to launch the site in full on May 1.

By the way, if you ever have website design needs, allow me to recommend Stephen Schmidt, who is the brains and brawn behind ChicagoMediaFuture.org. Seriously, look at that graphic. How cool-looking is that? Hire this man.

In the coming weeks, we hope to have more announcements about panelists, and the content of The Chicago Media Future Conference. Until then, we could use some help with the following:

Input
What do you think about all this? Does it sound interesting? Do you foresee some problems? What topics do you think we should be discussing on these panels? Do you want to recommend someone as a panelist? Let us know at info (@) chicagomediafuture.org.

People
This is a pretty big undertaking. There’s a lot to do, and we’re hoping to get some smart, talented folks to help us. Here are the tasks we need help with:

* Day-of assistance with check-in, answering attendee questions, herding people around, etc.
* Audio and video recording of the event (and possibly to edit said footage)
* Photographing the event

Just a note, everyone involved in this project is volunteering their time and talent (though it’s possible we might buy you a beer at some point) for this non-profit venture. But we will go out of our way to credit you for your work and throw a little business your way, if we can (just look at the nice things I said about Stephen up there).

Speaking of money, we’re also looking for…

Sponsorship
There are some incidental costs associated with an event like this (renting the space, buying refreshments, hiring a tech person to run sound, etc.) so we’re hoping some local businesses out there will be interested in throwing a tiny bit of cash our way in exchange for the honor and prestige of being named a sponsor of the first Chicago Media Future Conference. Think of it: You will be able say you were at the forefront of the revolution of Chicago news! How often does an opportunity like that come along? Once in a lifetime!

Ahem.

Lastly, we need lots of help with…

Promotion/Word of mouth
We want your help in telling people about The Chicago Media Future Conference. Write about it, blog it, Twitter it, text it, Digg! it, post it on your Facebook page, and tell your smart friends about it.

We want this conference to be a room full of people working together on the future of Chicago news who then go out into the world and turn words into action. I hope you’ll join us on June 13th and online at ChicagoMediaFuture.org.

The Chicago Media Future Conference organizers are:

Mike Fourcher
Mike Fourcher is founder of Purely Political Consulting, with dozens of state and local candidates across Illinois. He has built a dozen political websites, served as staff to California Congresswoman Lorett
a Sanchez on Capitol Hill and served in the in Clinton Administration on the personal staff of then-Energy Secretary Bill Richardson. More recently Mike wrote for Chicagoist, founded Cloutwiki.org and RudyGiulianiMarriedHisCousin.com. After obtaining an MBA from the University of Wisconsin-Madison in 2003, Mike consulted for daily newspapers and lead an investor group to purchase alternative newspapers around the country.

Barbara Iverson
At Columbia College, Barbara teaches, talks and blogs about blogging, citizen journalism and digital technology. She blogs at Currentbuzz.org and is also co-editor and publisher of ChicagoTalks.org. She has a Ph.D. in Public Policy Analysis from the University of Illinois at Chicago and is a specialist in web publishing, interactive multimedia, integrating technology into arts and media courses, and training teachers to use technology in the classroom.

Scott Smith
Scott Smith is now a Senior Editor at Playboy.com, having recently spent two-plus years at Time Out Chicago as Web Editor. He previously worked as co-editor at local news and culture blog Chicagoist, where he wrote about music and movies, and has spent time in radio promotions, teaching, tech support and social work. He has also freelanced for Metromix and Centerstage Chicago, and has been a commentator on Chicago Tonight, WGN Radio 720, and Filmspotting, a film review podcast.

Quick hits

Broadcasting and Cable says that there are no more star anchors. They’re being replaced by reporters who are “using all available resources to gather news.” At the Chicago Journalism Town Hall a couple months ago, Carol Marin noted a similar trend at newspapers, where people who’d been good writers were being shunted aside in favor of those who were multi-talented producer/editor types. This is one of those times when professionals should recognize the industry change, and adapt, not try to fight against it. Mock the intern with the Twitter account at your peril.

Also, I was surprised that Michael Kinsley would say the “death of newspapers” might not be all that bad.

Lastly, I started a Tumblr blog a while back, dropped it, then picked it back up again. It’s mainly filled with short, longer-than-Twitter comments on news stories, amusing pictures, and cool videos. As the title implies, it’s effluvia.

I’m also posting links to all the Our Man In Chicago posts there as well, so if you only want to go to the trouble of following one blog, that’d be it.

Arianna on ChuffPo’s plagiarism: "The intern did it."

This week, Time.com published a piece by Belinda Luscombe about Arianna Huffington. It’s one of the few profiles of her that addresses the plagiarism (Time’s word for it, not mine) that the Chicago branch of Huffington Post (or ChuffPo) engaged in last year. It’s interesting for a couple of reasons, including the new spin Huffington is putting on the issue (2nd page):

In December the site’s Chicago section was found to have been plagiarizing. “This was a problem with an intern,” says Huffington. “There was no excuse, and we corrected it.”

Really? An intern? That’s your excuse? Where have I heard that before…? Oh I know!

When I thought about what to write for The Huffington Post I was stuck on the idea of writing about the Huffington Post, because that’s who broke the Cindy McCain story where she, or an intern her people say, lifted recipes from the Food Network’s web site and put them on John McCain’s web site as her own “favorite family recipes.”

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So thank you to The Huffington Post for looking out for the busy, the overworked, and the overheated chefs in America.

Yeah, Arianna Huffington is a regular Norma Rae.

Now, I’m not saying Huffington is lying here but here’s what Wired’s Ryan Singel was told about it in December 2008:

The Huffington Post co-founder Jonah Peretti says the contretemps are overblown — that the complete re-printing was a mistaken editorial call and that The Huffington Post’s intention in aggregating other publications’ content is to send traffic their way.

Wow, what incredible freedom Huffington Post interns have! They get to make editorial judgment calls about the content of one of the most-read Web sites in the country! No wonder people will work for them for free!

The Time article also summarizes the SEO methods HuffPo uses to create a competitive advantage over the sites whose content it uses. Luscombe says these methods as “complicated and mostly secret,” which is only half-right. They ARE complicated, but not at all secret if you’re hiring the right SEO experts.

In the article, Huffington says the trade-off is all the pageviews that she sends the way of the sites from which they take content. If my time as Web Editor of Time Out Chicago is any indication of the traffic other sites are getting, the number of page views we received from the reviews they lifted was minimal. And it’s hardly worth the loss of ad revenue from search engine traffic. Back to the article:

While this is wily, it’s legal. But news organizations may not tolerate others cherry-picking their content and repurposing it for profit for much longer. “Someone is going to sue the Huffington Post,” says Joshua Benton, director of the Nieman Journalism Lab at Harvard University. “It’s not just about the volume of the content that it appropriates, it’s about the value.” There are other aggregators, but HuffPo is the most tempting. “It’s a big player, and the site that has got closest to the line” between fair and unfair use of copy, Benton notes. [Emphasis mine]

The sad thing is, there’s an ethical way to aggregate. And ChuffPo’s actions – intern or otherwise – have soured many big media types on the idea of it, when it really could be a boon for their sites.

If only more networks "twisted" their coverage in the wake of Stewart/Cramer

Last post on all this and then I promise I’m moving on…

My initial emotional reaction to this anonymously sourced tip from TV Newser that MSNBC was “twisting” its coverage by not covering the Jim Cramer/Jon Stewart interview was “KNAVES! How dare they…um….not cover something that’s…all that newsworthy.” I couldn’t even make it to the end of the sentence before my outrage fell apart.

Let’s say for the sake of argument that this is true and isn’t an attempt to discredit the NBC network of news channels. (For what it’s worth, no less than MSNBC’s golden boy Keith Olbermann says, in a comment on Daily Kos, it isn’t true.)

As I wrote last week, Jim Cramer isn’t the real problem, he’s just the one person who agreed to take a whupping for the team. So what’s the value for MSNBC or any other news network for covering the talk show appearance of one of its affiliate’s stars after it happened (you could argue that covering it prior was all in the name of synergistic self-promotion)? Did his appearance on The Daily Show change anything? Has it led to actual news? Has CNBC changed the nature of its financial reporting as a result? Has Jim Cramer dropped his goofy sound effects or manner of presentation? We don’t know any of this yet, so there’s nothing to report. If later this week, Jim Cramer starts nailing banking CEOs to the wall and speaking in calm, measured tones then that’s news you could tie into his Daily Show spanking and it’s time to pull out the footage. If they fail to show the interview at that point, you could argue MSNBC was misreporting the story or “twisting” its coverage.

With all the real problems affecting the country, spending more time on reporting and analysis about how we got here, and less time showing the Town Square flogging of Jim Cramer could logically be called “exercising editorial judgment.”

The LA Times’s Johanna Neuman: Jon Stewart is just mad because he’s broke

You know that phrase “Washington insiders” that’s trotted out by lazy pundits or politicians when they want to characterize someone, either an elected official or a commentator, as out-of-touch with the average person? I always thought that sounded phony, like the “career politician” slur.

[TANGENT: You know what that person actually is in the best of times? A professional. Joe Biden’s a career politician. Helen Thomas is a Washington insider.

Obviously, in both cases, I want that person to be ethical and fair, and not looking for ways to enrich his or her pocketbook or personal profile at the expense of the greater good. No, here’s what I want out of a D.C. reporter: Someone who knows the ins and outs of the city, so he or she can find truth and call bullshit when it’s warranted. And here’s what I want out of an elected official: Someone who is well-versed in procedural matters and studied in the art of compromise so he or she can get things done for the betterment of the constituents. Those people are usually folks who’ve spent time in the trenches so let’s throw a little respect their way from time to time. I mean, you’d never hear “Oh she’s a career doctor…” or “He’s spent years as a public schools insider…”]

After reading Johanna Neuman‘s post about the Cramer/Stewart interview at the LA Times’ Top of the Ticket blog, (via Romenesko) I’m starting to understand why people would think spending too much time in D.C. is a bad thing:

“In fact, the Emmy-winning Stewart was so caustic — he suggesting [sic] Cramer should remove the designation “financial expert” from his pitch — it kind of makes you wonder how much he’s lost in the economic meltdown.”

Someone finally asks how the country’s most influential financial reporters contributed to our economic crisis, and your first impulse is to ask what’s in it for him? I know there’s been a lot of criticism about the lack of real journalism on this issue, but how about aiming your rifle at the rabid dogs instead of the Animal Control worker?

Neuman’s obviously a smart person and spent years covering D.C. politics. So perhaps she has – to her detriment – been blinded by those who spend too much time motivated by ego or financial gain so that’s the only prism through which she views the actions of others.

Hey big media: Watch the Jim Cramer schadenfreude ’cause you’re next

Last night, I watched the Jim Cramer interview with Jon Stewart on The Daily Show. It was good, no question. But two lessons were lost amongst Stewart’s sharp barbs, robbing me of any cathartic thrill.

First, Jim Cramer is not the problem. He’s not even the cause of the problem, he’s a by-product of it, even if he’s the most visible by-product. I’ve yet to watch the full interview but the televised version hit Cramer hard on his failure to use his knowledge from his days as a hedge fund manager to give people the truth about how these companies operate (a.k.a. using his powers for good instead of evil). Cramer should be held accountable, but he was standing on the shoulders of giants. Giant d-bags, that is, who prided themselves on creating a system so complex that no one person truly understood all of it.

No, the problem is not Jim Cramer. The problem is that it required an enormous amount of money to fund these games, and everyone from the Treasury to the guys with the headsets to the people that cover finance fed into the idea that the best financial managers were the ones who found shortcuts to leap over all the “suckers” who were only getting 10% ROI instead of 30%. People had a thirst for it, and CNBC slaked it at every opportunity with cheap wine that went straight to its viewers heads.

To properly understand all that, it takes dissection and care. As good as The Daily Show‘s writers and researchers are, they can’t – and shouldn’t be expected to – do the heavy lifting there. As Stewart points out every chance he gets, it’s a comedy show. While the show is invaluable for letting the air out of countless gas bags after the fact, let’s not forget that it’s more important for someone else to do it the old-fashioned way as it’s happening (a.k.a. reporting). Something along the lines of this New Yorker article which tracks the fall of the house of Paulson and Bernake (which admittedly is also a post-game analysis). It’s at least as good as the This American Life reports on the big pool of money, the failure of regulators, and the banking debacle.

I’d love to see The Daily Show devote an entire show, using its own style, to hang these men in satiric effigy, rather than just hammering the one nail that agreed to stand still.

Here’s the second lesson that got lost, and it relates to the first: CNBC is not alone in its failure to serve.

Right now, the Chicago Tribune site has the Stewart/Cramer story as its lead.


You’ll notice the possibility of a 50 percent tax hike (during a recession, in a state that’s really broke, and affecting people who live in a city – Chicago – whose public school system and public transit system are bleeding internally due to a lack of money) is shunted off to the side.

Let me reiterate: A story about something that happened on a basic cable comedy show to a guy who hosts another basic cable show is the lead story on the website of one of the two daily papers in the third largest city in the United States.

The Trib isn’t alone here in its glee. (Some Web sites live-blogged the damn thing for crying out loud.) Nor is this a one-time problem. Michael Miner at the Reader details the shenanigans on the front page of the paper earlier this week, while his colleague Whet Moser shakes his head over a story written by a Tribune editor and her nine-year-old daughter (!!!) who just loooove the three-quarters-of-a-million-dollar condo they found.

And just so I’m not guilty of making the Trib the Jim Cramer of media fail:

If newspapers and network television want to know how to “beat” the Internet, what we need right now more than anything isn’t tips to get through the recession (Shop less! Cook at home!) or photo galleries of hot moms (ahem, CBS-2). We need vibrant, analytical, junkyard dogs of journalism who quietly and methodically eviscerate the people who seek to make this country worse off. Not media that replays the stuff we dose ourselves with to try and forget about the mess we’re in. I mean, for God’s sake, I work at a magazine that is about “entertainment.” When my joke posts resemble the front page of the paper, there’s a problem.

It’s not hard to do. Stewart proved it last night. It doesn’t even cost that much money (if NPR and Comedy Central can do it…). And for anyone who thinks that’s not what people want: Listen to what people talk about all day today. Count the number of times people say “Hey did you see The Daily Show last night?”

When’s the last time you heard “Hey, did you see the paper this morning?”

UPDATE: Credit where it’s due: The Trib’s home page now looks like this, with the income tax story rightly positioned as the lead:


UPDATE 2:
Lord, it’s worse than I thought. On the Huffington Post, Daniel Sinker points out lead stories from the sites of CNN, the Sun-Times, and the LA Times were Anna Nicole Smith, Michelle Obama on Good Morning America, and Michael Jackson tickets going on sale, respectively.

Also, the Reader’s Whet Moser throws down with this:

“There is so much good information out there that your typical local columnist doesn’t even need to be out on the front lines, but if you’re writing about stuff in the media about the financial crisis anyway, there’s no reason not to drill down into yet more profound coverage, to be a middleman between the information out there in the cloud and local, general audiences.”

He also hits the point I glossed over above: People will thank you for this coverage with their eyes which, not incidentally, equal ad dollars which equals money which equals “saving journalism.”

There’s a follow-up to this post here.

Some follow-up reading on the Chicago Journalism Town Hall questions

There’s been a flood of discussion on the Chicago Journalism Town Hall this past Sunday. In addition to my piece, you can find audio and video from the event, plus many thoughtful written musings which are collected at the end of this post and in this post on the CJTH site. Whet Moser and Andrew Huff also posted their recommendations for moving forward. And if you’re looking for the eight models for presenting the news, Barbara Iverson has you covered.

The need for new models of journalism is not a new realization for many, but I think it’s fair to say we’ve reached the tipping point for folks who made their bones in the print-only world. I say this not just because of the CJTH, but also because of several pieces I’ve seen this week that touch on the same issues raised during the event:

Cory Bergman at Lost Remote warns against the tendency for writers to ignore the business end of things.

Eli Sanders at The Stranger follows the fear and loathing at the Seattle Post-Intelligencer over the possibility of going online-only, and what it means to be an authority in the new century.

Larry Kramer at The Daily Beast rightly notes that it’s not about newspapers, it’s about news.

And if you read nothing else, read this story from the New York Observer. If you’re as tuned into this stuff as I am, you will get four or five great ideas out of it that can apply to whatever you’re doing on your own sites.

Chicago Journalism Town Hall: Not enough words

Sometimes I feel like what I have to say has a better home on the TOC blog, even when it’s 2000-some-odd words long like my Chicago Journalism Town Hall recap. Hey, I’m the Web editor over there: I had to weigh in, and didn’t feel the viewpoints of the three-hour panel could best be presented in less.

Despite the shots I took at him in my piece – and as much as they were deserved, they pained me to write them all the same – I think Ken Davis did something great: He got the discussion started, and spawned several reactions around the Web. It’s up to us to refine it, and bring the viewpoints that were missing to the table. Such is the nature of the medium.

UPDATE: Since TOC‘s redesign killed the old link above I’m re-posting it in full here.

It was 45 minutes into a meandering discussion at the Chicago Journalism Town Hall before someone gave the discussion what it needed: a death sentence for the way the news is currently reported and sold. Depending on which side of 25 you are, it was either surprising or par for the course that said person was legendary newsman John Callaway, someone who might have been expected to have a bit more romance for what used to be.

“Newspapers, as we know them, are dead,” said Callaway. “Ask yourself: ‘What is the [new] model?'”

By the end of the three-hour discussion, moderated by (and peppered by frequent discursions from) former WBEZ newsman Ken Davis, and led mostly by a panel of well-established representatives of the old guard of Chicago journalism, no one had come up with the answer, but some had figured out the right questions to ask, while others realized they had a lot to learn.

Davis said in choosing the venue, the Allegro Hotel at LaSalle and Randolph, he meant to invoke the backroom deals made by political hacks at the Bismarck Hotel, where the Allegro now stands. (I always thought it was the Morrison Hotel, but no matter.) Perhaps he thought the assembled group of 300 or so journalists and writers would find a way through the morass of corrupted ideals and agree on the best candidate for saving the news business. Unfortunately, to paraphrase Ald. Paddy Bauler, Chicago news ain’t ready for reform.

While some on the 13-person panel could count themselves as bloggers, only three could lay claim to it as their professional day job (four, if you count Chicago Tribune columnist Eric Zorn, who probably blogs more than any other print columnist out there). So rather than an exchange of ideas between the print and online worlds, the Town Hall felt more like the funeral that Callaway suggested. From the outset, it was clear that many were there to pat themselves on the back for a job well done, rather than perform an autopsy. By my count, there were 25 rounds of applause, most given for hard-to-argue bromides like “Ethics are important” and “People should get paid for their work.” Perhaps from the perspective of the veteran journalists, it seemed as if it was necessary to stipulate all that, even though no one argued against it.

Of course, the good old days weren’t always good. Geoff Dougherty, founder of the Chi-Town Daily News, noted that his former employer the Miami Herald was laying people off when it was making a 20% profit, in an effort to get to 25. Andrew Huff, editor and publisher of Gapers Block, a site for Chicago news and commentary, also said that the definition of journalism has changed since Pulitzer and Hearst were duking it out (not a set of standards anyone’s looking to re-adopt) and would probably change again.

Perhaps what was most troubling is that some in the room didn’t realize they share a common set of problems. For every complaint on the print side, there was a corresponding grumble from the online side. Sure, there are online sites that don’t properly attribute their content, but as Brad Flora of the Windy Citizen (a Digg!-like news aggregator of Chicago stories) pointed out, when the Chicago Tribune re-published a video that first appeared on his site, it failed to acknowledge the source. And as many were rending their garments over how you can publish anything you want on that gosh darn Internet, the online folks were classy enough not to mention Judith Miller.

The biggest problem facing the new order of journalism seemed to be a lack of operational definitions and universal adoption of standards. Two of the panelists—Ben Goldberger, editor of Huffington Post Chicago, and Huff— run sites that depend, to varying degrees, on linking to other sites’ content; original opinion and commentary; and discussion of the same. Both were referred to as “news aggregators” during the panel. Yet the ways in which both sites attribute and utilize content from other sites is vastly different, to the point of controversy. (When Davis asked Goldberger why HuffPo was able to make such an impact, Callaway harrumphed: “Theft!” He may have meant online sites in general that don’t properly attribute its sources, but that didn’t stop Goldberger from squirming.)

Even the experts in the field find themselves thrown by online terminology. Robert Feder, former media columnist with the Chicago Sun-Times, said “No one goes to Medill to be a platform manager. It sounds like a CTA job.” Sure, it’s a good line. But would he say that no one goes to Medill to be a managing editor? The responsibilities are the same, it’s just the medium that’s different.

For many, it’s the lack of institutional memory and the potential for unenforced ethical standards that’s troubling. But ask anyone who’s written for the Internet and they’ll tell you the medium is famously self-correcting, if for no other reason than the litany of self-styled media critics to be found in comments on any number of stories. Barbara Iverson, co-editor and publisher of ChicagoTalks.org, said it’s easier to check out the veracity of a story on the Internet. And if the number of people in the room who were unemployed or underemployed was any indication, Chicago certainly doesn’t lack for journalists, at least a few of whom could be talked into the role of ombudsman for any nascent sites.

When a few of the panelists, including Callaway, suggested it was possible to fund a viable news organization with $2-$4 million, many in the audience—and some on the panel—scoffed. And sure, if you’re going to maintain the level of staffing and overhead that most newspapers have now, that probably seems like a pittance. But the costs of maintaining a vital online presence that does real journalism are nowhere what some would imagine;  Dougherty runs Chi-Town Daily News with a $340,000 two-year grant from the Knight Foundation.

In this new world, it’s not possible to be all things to all people as a news entity. Thom Clark, president and a founder of Chicago’s Community Media Worskshop, said newspapers don’t need to bother with reviewing movies anymore  since arts and entertainment publications like the Reader and Time Out Chicago do it just fine. Left unsaid was the hyperlocal mission, or even the hyperspecific, covering just one particular part of the news with a small staff and low overhead. But even Huff admitted that with a low overhead of $100/month, he wasn’t making enough to pay his writers, all of whom write for the site out of “love for the city.”

NBC 5’s political editor and Chicago Sun-Times political columnist Carol Marin then raised a salient point: Some of the costs of journalism are hidden. Like when lawyers are hired to go to court to defend the rights of reporters, or when newspapers are telling a story someone doesn’t want told, the way the Sun-Times‘ Natasha Korecki did with Roland Burris’s affidavit. When Zorn wondered how you can retain quality people for thirty grand, Callaway suggested a cooperative freelance model was the way to go, back to the $4 million newsroom again. He said perhaps foundations could bankroll news investigations, without actually owning the news organizations themselves. Some on the panel flirted with an “iTunes for news,” but no one pointed out that iTunes users only pay for music they think they’ll like, not for the stuff they listen to because it makes them more aware of the world.

There are models out there to fund the news, and this was another group that went underrepresented on the panel: No one from the business side was on the panel, and none of the CEOs and entrepreneurs who could fund a new kind of news organization were in the offing. Iverson started to discuss eight models for funding journalism, but only got as far as five before Davis cut her off, saying “I think you’re overwhelming us…” On the contrary, Iverson had managed to distill the economics of the news into a few easy-to-understand structures, even if you’d never seen the assets side of a balance sheet. There seemed to be a pervading fear of profits, or at least profit-making enterprises, in the room. Perhaps this is because the two Chicago dailies have been so used and abused by those focused only on the bottom line or, in the case of the Sun-Times, thieves. (That’d be Lord Black, not those darn bloggers.)

But Davis’s hesitation to discuss the business side of journalism is yet another holdover from the good old days when editorial was on one side of the wall, and sales and marketing were on the other. Smart writers now know that while editorial should never be influenced by money or marketability, they still need to have more than a passing familiarity with the business end of things, as one day they may find themselves in the editor/publisher role, creating partnerships or selling a product to make enough money to keep the news rolling.

And that’s the real question:  how to make money from all this news. None of the panelists had much of a chance to opine on this point, so this is where the audience got involved. Flora and Sachin Agarwal, chief executive behind dawdle.com, an online video-game retailer and Windy Citizen advertiser, blamed the ads themselves, noting that most still looked like crap or were so much eyewash, unable to deliver the kind of bold, dynamic look that serves the advertiser’s product as well as print. Emboldened, Agarwal began pointing fingers, saying that sites like Pitchfork and Ars Technica had made “millions of dollars” in online ad sales and why couldn’t the panelists figure this out as well? Of course, he neglected to mention that getting people to pay for music and technology news and reviews isn’t quite like getting them to pay for news about the local library board or for a reporter to sit in the state capitol building all day, cultivating sources.

Leave it to Zorn, long the early adopter among those in Chicago’s mainstream media, to bring in some reinforcements. During a Quixotic discussion of micropayments and Kachingle, Zorn said: “Who’sWhere’s kiyoshimartinez?” Turns out, he was one of several people who’d been live-Twittering the event, offering instant feedback and reporting about it. (Note to everyone who suppressed giggles when anyone mentioned Twitter: That’s why you’re in this mess.) Zorn had him stand up and, as he later wrote on his blog, voice some of his criticisms of mainstream media sites which:

“…offer really poor advertising solutions for advertisers, which means they’re not going to get high advertising rates and therefore not capitalize on the vast amount of ad inventory they have but can’t sell. In turn, they’re forced to run remnant ads, which have very low CPM values and you end up with ads that feature belly fat and mortgage rates.”

At one point, someone mentioned Google as a model, but Huff noted the idea of presenting every bit of news without filtering for your audience was dead too, and a site like Capitol Fax, which aggregates political news for free while charging a subscription fee for original, reported content, was worth pursuing. But take away that aggregated news, Marin replied, and all you’ll have left is a really good newsletter, without explaining what exactly was wrong with that. Still, as much as the sites that drive traffic back to the original sources are a needed part of the news consumption process, they don’t, by themselves, pay the salary of more than one or two reporters. There might have been more ideas in the room, but many of those who got up to speak seemed more interested in telling sob stories.

Some seemed to recognize that the funeral would only last a couple of days before it was necessary to get on with life. Davis suggested that the technology and methodology for fully monetizing online news had yet to be developed. CLTV political editor Carlos Hernandez-Gomez said that reporters need to be able to work in multiple mediums and brand themselves. Indeed, those will be the kind of reporters who will be able to staff the for-now theoretical $2-$4 million online newsroom. Marin surmised that some reporters aren’t good at editing, writing and producing; some are only good at one thing.

If anyone in the room thought they didn’t need to start learning how to do more…well, it’s their funeral.

For more wrap-ups of the Chicago Journalism Town Hall, and coverage as it happened, search Twitter for the hastag #cjth. For a live-blog of the event, visit ChicagoPublicRadio.org.

Update: Per Eric Zorn’s comment below, I’ve corrected his quote. Kiyoshi Martinez also has a blogroll of recaps, plus links to audio from the event. Also, here’s Geoff Dougherty’s plan for creating a $2 million newsroom.

Update 2: There are two new ruminations on the CJTH: One from Whet Moser, the Reader‘s Web guy, who expertly breaks down the various blog/aggregator models and the importance of SEO; and another from Andrew Huff, EIC and publisher of Gapers’ Block, who makes an important clarification about the money he makes on the site that also clarifies his quote about re: their ad sales:

While it’s true we’re not making a ton of money, we’ve been profitable, inasmuch as we’ve made more money than we’ve spent, for years. The size of that profit has been limited in large part due to my personal lack of time to devote to selling ads. Not a lack of a market, but the inability to serve that market. Even without a dedicated sales force, we’ve made enough in the last couple years for me to quit my job and make Gapers Block part of my full-time work. And now that we’ve got someone actively selling ads for us, I’m confident that profits will continue to increase, allowing us to pay more than just me. (We started to pay the editors this year; it’s a pittance, but it’s something.)

Ben Eason encourages not-so-creative loafing

Earlier this week, Creative Loafing, the parent company of alt-weeklies like Washington D.C.’s City Paper and the Chicago Reader, filed for bankruptcy. The go-to source for the background on this is this story in Atlanta magazine.

How this will affect the Reader remains to be seen, but this excerpt doesn’t bode well:

In fact, in his memo to employees, Eason said he wants to “get us quickly to a daily publishing web company that happens to have a weekly print publication that is a reference point for the web.” To staffers, Eason has been holding up the Huffington Post’s Chicago website as a model. It has one employee, who essentially sifts through every media outlet in Chicago for the best stories and then links to them. He’s a filter of content, but not a creator of one. Eason is in awe of the model.

Eason sees his papers doing something similar, but it “doesn’t mean we give up on original content.”

I know as well as anyone how difficult it is to make a site feel vibrant on a daily basis, when it’s largely dependent on weekly content. And I’m glad that linking to external sites is no longer seen (by most, anyway) as the great traffic-killer it once was. But remaking your site into a blog of blogs in order to do it, isn’t the answer.

First, that kind of curation takes time. When you link to a site, you’re essentially telling your readers “This is worth your time” unless context says otherwise. It requires reading, reporting and analysis, not just random posting alongside a pretty picture. You can say it won’t take away from writing and producing original content, but unless you expand your staff – and most newspapers and magazines aren’t in a position to do that – it’s a zero-sum game. If I had the kind of talented staff that Eason has at his disposal (and at TOC, we do), I’d rather have my writers working on providing more analysis and reporting.

Which brings me back again to Chuffpo.

When you do what ChuffPo does, you need to link to the heater stories, the ones that get people clicking. But when you do that, you end up repeating much of what people find elsewhere, which robs your site of distinction. So you need to provide your readers with something they can’t get elsewhere. Again, I’m not saying that being an aggregator of content is a bad idea. Some of the sites I read on a daily basis do just that. But my appetite for sites like that is limited. At this point, I don’t find myself needing another one, particularly one that doesn’t seem to have its own voice. (Despite my clear obsession with it, ChuffPo still hasn’t made it into my RSS feed.)

To be fair, ChuffPo does publish original content – of questionable veracity and quality – but it’s largely dependent on writers from other publications, who can depend on their full-time gigs for income. The only reason this model works is because the Huffington name can lure those folks to post for free and the Huffington money can bankroll it through any rough ad waters. It’s not a model that one should adopt in favor of something that already works. I can’t speak to the other Creative Loafing properties, but the Reader already has several blogs I consider daily destinations that are more akin to the spirit of blogging than anything I see on ChuffPo. (Their attribution tactics alone confuse even the sharpest readers, Roger Ebert, for example.)

Eason does have a point though: Readers ARE interested in what their favorite writers read. But the reason that interest is stoked in the first place is because their writers ARE writing. They get a sense of what these people are like through their analysis and the topics they cover. It makes them want to know more.

Plus, the tools to do these sort of things – direct your readers to what your writers are reading – already exist with sites like Delicious and GoodReads (in fact, the TOC blog contains links to both for our Eat Out and Books editors, respectively).

When ChuffPo launched, I said that Chicago didn’t need more sites that do the same old thing. It needed sites that cover topics that aren’t covered elsewhere, backed up by pick-up-the-phone reporting and good writing. (We’ll be getting more of that when Eater and Curbed finally launch next week.) At some point, if everyone’s linking, but no one’s producing original content…well, there won’t be much worth linking to anymore.